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    Too Many Doctors?

    January 3rd, 2008

    by Tony Chen

    Has anyone else seen this article in the Atlantic? It claims that too many doctors lead to lower quality because the "coordination costs" outweigh the benefits. When every doc is responsible for one aspect of care, sometimes it gets unclear who is responsible for what (or at least, that's the theory)

    From the article:

    “Why would more doctors lead to worse care, and fewer doctors to better care? More tests and procedures always entail more risk, and for care that’s unnecessary, the ratio of benefit to risk is zero. What’s more, where numerous doctors, particularly specialists, are routinely involved in a patient’s case, the potential for miscommunication and confusion multiplies (bold mine). Modern medicine should be a team sport, but it is often practiced as if everybody is running a different play. Different doctors order duplicative tests, prescribe drugs that interact poorly with what the patient is already taking, and assume another physician will attend to a critical aspect of a patient’s care. A cardiologist can be a virtuoso at slipping a stent into the coronary artery of a patient in the throes of a heart attack, but if she leaves it to another physician to prescribe aspirin to her patient—one of the most effective treatments for preventing a second heart attack—that prescription might fall through the cracks.

    “This is what appears to be happening in many hospitals, where the ratio of specialists to primary-care physicians is especially high. In one recent study, two Harvard economists—Katherine Baicker, of the School of Public Health, and Amitabh Chandra, of the Kennedy School of Government—examined how the quality of care in different states varied as the proportion of specialists rose. They found that measures of quality, like the percentage of heart-attack patients who received a prescription for aspirin, tended to fall in direct proportion to a rising ratio of specialists. The point, says Chandra, “is not that the specialist is inferior, but that the system is not accounting for the ‘coordination cost’ specialists are imposing.”

    It's not hard to believe that this coordination isn't always done well. But it is hard to believe that this lack of coordination could outweigh the benefits of the tremendous expertise and advanced care provided by specialists.

    I need to see more on this, but nonetheless, this further reinforces the notion that your hospital's organizational culture may be just as important as the organizational structure & processes.

    Comments:

    Comment from: Richard [Visitor]
    My grandfather died in the hospital on December 25,2007. While his death was directly related to an untreated arrhythmia. The care leading up to his death was horiffic. He had a PCP, a Pulmonologist, a Cardiologist, and an Oncologist. None of them were on the same page. I vioced my concernes to them each individually, I voiced my concernes to Social Services to no avail. One Doctor was trying to diurese him, one wanted to stop his asprin and plavix, one doctor gave platelets while the other said that he would not have given them to him because they were not low enough. And now every attorney That I call says I have a negligence case, but because he was 88 years old there is not enough money in it. Even the hospital risk manager and involved physicians are calling me trying to feel me out. I Just want the hospitals to pay!! My wife and I are both RN's and it is clear that not only are the physicians too many (they dont even read eachothers notes half the time) but the understaffing of many units has made it extremely unsafe for patients. Its not safe to have 3 ICU patients, or 5-6 step down patients. Health care premiums have shot thru the roof while the queality of health care has Plummeted to new lows. How many people have to die before Hospitals are held accountable.
    Permalink 01/03/08 @ 21:21
    Comment from: Doris {Visitor} [Visitor]
    My husban was in the Hospital for 6 weeks with 6 Doctors each the BEST in their field. Only 1 of them would listen to what you had to say. The others could careless. 1 Heart Doctor want to start him on cemo. just because he spot read his file. It said non-cancer not cancer. He was fired on the spot. I lost my cool and when I was done everyone started listening. They almost let him die thinking they were right and know one could tell them anything. What people don't understand it they work for you not the other way around. You must stay on top of whats going on. Go on the web check what they are telling you. Most inportant is to call all the Doctors together and get all of them on the same page. My husbans surgen save his life because he would listen and cared. Say the word Lawyer and see how fast they start doing the right thing. This sould not have to been done with the amount your paying for your care but its the only way to save someone you care about with the way they all getway with the kind of care you get now.
    Permalink 01/03/08 @ 23:45
    Comment from: hospitaltony [Member]
    (posting for Mike Pringle)

    I will take a closer look at this later today Tony but believe it or not this happens quite a bit. Nick Jacobs just mentioned this type of thing a bit ago on another posting. This is very much the case of too many providers adding input but no centralized coordination of care. Many times nursing sees this and attempts to intervene but is ignored by providers. Families are confused often times too. In the end you have several providers who don't know the patient intimately and they're only looking at the patient from their own perspective. The process ends up being an assembly line of care. Very disappointing. I will be following this up on my site later today.
    Permalink 01/04/08 @ 10:09
    Comment from: Lavinia Weissman [Visitor] · http://www.workecology.com
    Doctors get paid by insurance for the most part. So doctors order services they get paid for. Doctors are associated with hospitals so hospitals have dominated the perspective of how health care is delivered.

    In Clem Bezold's book with Jonathan Peck on the Future of Work and Health--

    they point out

    78% of people seek a non-doctor/hospital solution (e.g. CVS) when they don't feel well

    About the same time this book was released in the 1980's -- other futurists and I included perceived hospital beds would reduce by 50% and nursing homes with become an out of date method of geriatric care.

    Dr. Bill Thomas has proved the nursing home theory over and over again with his investment in energy to build the Greenhouse Elder Movement.

    The growing number of people without health insurance are proving how many people seek non doctor/hospital care.

    California did a study a few years ago through a network associated with the California Foundation. It was found that "not having health insurance" did not equate with "not seeking health care and treatment."

    The question becomes what kind of care do people seek, at what cost and how do they pay for it and what does it gain them? How much of this is done with out doctors?

    sometimes I feel like i am talking to myself here because the system is so challenged to change and does not change, yet I know a lot of people who share personal stories in blogs on line and other are proof of the pudding.

    The question is can we stop and think and build change. Maybe do the Jeb Bartlett approach and eliminate health insurance companies.

    I actually have an idea how to do that!
    Permalink 01/04/08 @ 19:13
    Comment from: Judy Volkar MD [Visitor]
    Lavinia, Doctors are not paid by insurance companies for the tests that they order. If I am consulted , I am reimbursed for the complexity of the care, the specific components of the exam and the medical decision making. Whether I order one test or one million I am not reimbursed any differently.

    However, I do agree that communication between physicians is usually poor.Until we all chart electronically, reading most physicians handwriting is almost impossible.
    Perhaps the simplest solution would be to have all orders,med changes etc be reviewed by the coordinating primary care physician before they are implemented. But to give that person that level of responsibility, they should be reimbursed a coordination of care fee by the insurance companies.
    Although healthcare costs are increasing exponentially, I guarantee you the physicians are not getting increased reimbursements and I do not believe the hospitals are either.
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    Permalink 01/06/08 @ 18:28
    Comment from: mp lee [Visitor]
    there was a follow-up post on the atlantic's site that referenced a new yorker article that is quite interesting. (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/12/10/071210fa_fact_gawande).

    the article describes how at least in one ICU a simple checklist was used to reduce the number of line infections in patients from 11% to 0. in over two years they experienced only two line infections. maybe there's room for hope after all. highly recommended reading.
    Permalink 01/06/08 @ 22:36
    Comment from: Lavinia Weissman [Visitor] · http://www.workecology.com
    Judy, thanks for speaking up.

    "What I meant to say is that for the ost part doctors order tests and procedures that are covered by health insurance."

    There is some variation to this of course.

    I can see why you read into what i wrote that i was suggesting doctors get reimbursed based on test, etc. order. You do get reimbursed for the visit.

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